Thursday, December 6, 2007

10 reasons i hate san diego

i've moved around quite a bit in my life. i've lived, throughout my life, in 5 states, traveled to almost all 50, and 7 countries. i've been to a fair amount of places, but i have to say that san diego rates pretty low on my list of favorite places. don't misunderstand- it's ok for some people. but i'm different than most people, and just because other people like it doesn't mean that i will. also, it has its benefits. and i am glad i had the chance to live here- i met the most amazing girl in the world here. buuuuut, i feel about as eager to leave san diego as i was to leave kentucky. here's why:

10. its environment. the amount of smog in the air has been coming to my attention a lot more lately. also, there is such a dearth of cutting-edge environmental spectacles. for instance, i never see waterless urinals in this semi-arid climate, i don't see many cfl lights in this blackout-prone city, and it's more common to see a 4x4 monster truck than a civic.

9. its military complex. goes hand-in-hand with the 4x4 monster trucks. yes, people here support the american terrorism in iraq because many of the soldiers in iraq were deployed from san diego. in some areas of this city, the type-a alpha males rule, and if you are not like them, you are "feminine". here, strength precedes intelligence. reminds me a lot of the south.

8. its lack of good coffee/tea shops. to repeat a friend from the bay area, "this is starbucks territory". i must pay respects to three coffee shops san diego really needs. these are pannikin (any location), rebecca's coffee house, and influx cafe. other than these (and a couple other places), there's really not much to brag about. good luck finding a tea shop here: the best place to get loose-leaf tea is a place in old town- the service is terrible, it closes early, and there's no seating.

7. its complacency. people here are comfortable with where they are in life (no matter where that may be), and feel no need to grow or challenge or be different. i'm sick of being stared at because i don't follow the norm. and if i challenge what is the mainstream opinion, i get ostracized.

6. its superficiality. one word to describe san diego? superficial. if you're ever in san diego, don't try to talk to anyone about something that actually matters. if you do, you're a very strange person. if you're a female visiting san diego and want to blend in with the locals, come prepared with too much make-up and too much time to spend looking at yourself in the mirror. the superficiality even seeps into public spaces: sdsu's campus green areas are not meant to be walked on or sat on; they're meant to be looked at. there's not much to do in balboa park beside walk in the developed areas.

5. its culture/history. san diego has it. but it's solely oriented around surfing. this area is not known for its art, its sophistication, or its finesse. there's history here, too, but the problem is that cabrillo and his successors wiped it out to establish their own history. people here tend to forget about that. on a side note, although i am very tolerant, respectful, and supportive of the northern mexico culture, i personally don't like it very much; but this culture is very prominently displayed and ingrained here.

4. its citizens' attitudes. i can't figure out why people here are so far removed from their relationships. your friends don't reveal their soul to you. in fact, unless you know someone well, they will hardly make eye contact with you. moreover, your friends don't introduce you to more friends- that's up to you.

3. its exclusivity. everything's 21-and-up, which isn't a hindrance for me anymore, but these rules make it hard to have younger friends. before i turned 21, i couldn't find anything to do here, believe it or not. it's also exclusive in terms of prejudice: they expect certain things from certain people, making stereotypes normative.

2. its political atmosphere. i've gotten the impression here that you shouldn't challenge the government, that things going on in city hall are not my business, and that republicans are god's children. i want to hide from people that i vote neither democrat nor republican, and don't politically support anyone i disagree with. i carry many socialist ideals, but that doesn't mean i'm a socialist either, a concept incomprehensible to most people here.

1. its inaccessibility. everything worth going to is disconnected from the rest of the city: south park has 1 bus running through it, ocean beach is almost literally disconnected from the city, and north park has jems, but they are also spread out. i want to live in a city connected by public transportation and that allows walking. try living in san diego without a car. yeah. it would suck.

this list spilled onto the screen way too fast. yeah, i hate it here. maybe seattle or san francisco next?

96 comments:

The Observer said...

Dude, I couldn't agree more with almost all your reasons. A lot of urban centers are producers of smog, and San Diego is no exception. Plus, given its notorious staunch Republican base, going green is like going Democrat, and God forbid someone do the ultimate sin of switching parties *GASP*.

I also agree with your views on San Diego's problems with inaccessibility (San Francisco was so much easier and I had no need to get a car), military complex, political atmosphere, and its superficiality.

As for culture and history, there is a show on NBC called About San Diego that has all these neat stories about tidbits that are well known and tidbits about the tiniest details of the county. Whether these things relate to Cabrillo is anyone's guess.

Penny Dreadful said...

I feel the exact same way. I have been here for 2 years and only have 2 more to go. My husband and I don't have even ONE friend who is from here. In fact, all of our friends are from the NY (home state) and the rust belt.

No one has any sort of "Moxie" here or any integrity for their personal character; they roll over with everything. I get called a "bitch" at least once a week for sticking up for myself, complaining about ridiculously bad service or telling someone to be quiet in a movie theater (hubby and I have stopped going out to movies because people can't keep their mouths shut out here).

I can't even begin to tell you the amount of times someone has severely screwed up my life because they lied to me (no one likes to tell it how it is and tend to sugarcoat everything), were lazy and didn't do the work they were supposed to do, or went back on their word.

I always wondered who seriously gave a damn about all this pop culture garbage and who listened to such terrible, listless music, now I know; everything I hate about pop culture is worshiped here and comes from here. People will sell themselves out in a minute when styles change. It's sad.

Good luck to you, I hate it here too. I don't think the fact that I dislike hot weather, lack of seasons and relentless sunshine helps either.

Maybe we should form a support group? ;)

ruu kwon do said...

^STARTS SLOW CLAP

Bravo! My girlfriend and I moved to “Sun Diego” June 2007 from Pennsylvania just to try something different. Needless to say we are moving back in 2 weeks. The whole San Diego experience has been horrible. Everything you said and the above comments have said is completely correct.

We’ve been here over a year and have made 0 real friends. People here just want to surf, tan, and hang out at the beach. Our apartment complex is totally inept and cannot handle the smallest issue within the complex. There are homeless people EVERYWHERE; we actually saw two bums having “relations” downtown IN THE GASLAMP. They wake us up in the middle of the night crushing cans and diving into the dumpster. And everyone seems to think this is normal. The museums in Balboa Park seem like they were just thrown together for tourist; the zoo is not very good besides having some panda bears. Also being a hockey fan in SD doesn’t help. People here ask me if I like rugby when I wear my ice hockey jerseys. (NOTE: the logo has an ice hockey sticks and skates)

When I told everyone at work that I was moving home they did two things. 1. Per usual, asked me if I was going to miss the weather (not a big deal to be honest, I miss seasons) and 2. I got the normal “why would you want to move away?”… When I asked them if they lived anywhere else they look at me blankly and say “why would I want to do that?”

But now that we are not the only ones who hate San Diego, I wish everyone the best of luck getting out of the dirty infested hell hole.

-Bill

Tom D said...

Dude Yeah SD sucks. But so does SF- I am from the bay area and I just want to remind you the grass is NOT always greener- San Francisco has some scenic beauty, but it is also disgusting and has WAY too many cracked out aggressive homeless types. It's not clean anymore and there are tons of people from other states who think they own the town. I now live in Chicago and NY and they are both heads and tails above SF. Just my 2 cents. Peace.

ryan the lion said...

so, i just saw that this august i received three comments on this blog post.

thank you all for your insight. i'm glad that i'm not the only one who observed these things about "america's finest city".

i have to say that one year after posting this i feel exactly the same. part of me has simply acclimated to the city, expecting all the things i hated so bad at the time of this posting, but all of me will always long for something different. and i still hate those stupid little stares i get when i say something mildly intelligent. in other words, i still hate san diego.

i'm glad the three of you could leave town and find nicer places. i've applied for my ph.d. at a place that i think will suit me much better, and we'll see how that goes. in the meantime i must suffer, but look forward to the change. cheers!

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iloveflorida said...

OMG - I have found normal people in San Diego!!!

I moved to San Diego 10 years ago. Boy that was the BIGGEST mistake of my life. I consider myself pretty stupid to have moved from nice warm friendly, inexpensive, well run, no state income tax Florida to an overpriced, over rated, man made beachs and hairy palm tree San Diego...stupid, stupid, stupid me.

1. San Diego is not tropical, it is a desert. Palm trees are not native to SD they grow in a tropical region. Tropical also means there is high humidity, lots of rain, foliage is green and healthy (not dead and brown waiting for a breeze to blow by and catch it on fire) and the average temperature is above 80 degrees.

2. Talk about unfriendly people. If you so much as say hi to a local they wonder what you want. I have never had so many doors let go in my face by the locals with no manners. I've never had people walk into me before just because they had no clue as to their surrounding.

3. For a city that has soooo many colleges, it has the most ignorant local population. You are right when you said that people here never bother to better themselves, they are happy doing what they did 40 years ago, like driving their 1962 VW van with a Peace sign spray painted on the side and those fashionable tie dye shirts.

4. Apartments - has anybody really noticed that most apartments here (in the city of SD only) were built between 1920 & 1950, then none were built again until 2000. I personally have never lived in an apartment built in 1940 until I moved out here. In Florida they tear the old stuff down that contains lead and Asbestos. Every apartment I lived in was brand new, with central heat & air, a full size washer and dryer, a dishwasher, microwave, security system and beautiful landscaping, mutiple pools, so even had a 9 hole golf course ALL for $425 per month. So I've comprised by living standards down to a roof, four walls, and inside toilet for $1121 per month. It's a crap hole, by neighbor across the hall beats his wife on Friday nights so the Cops are always here. My neighbors downstairs are locals who were raised in a barn, they cannot close a door without slamming it, and or course they are deaf because they can't hear their TV without sharing with everyone around them. And of course far be it from me to say a word to the office for fear of retaliation from the "bullies".

BUT unfortunality I have a business here. I've worked very hard at setting up a bookkeeping service. And I have experienced some of the worst clients ever. It's hard to find clients here who give a hoot about their books. As long as they have money in the bank then their profitable.

And Narcissitic, I've never met so many people who have such a high opinion of themselves, who are so self centered and they feel like somebody owes them something. I haven't figured out what that something is, but when I find out I'll be sure to broadcast it. I've had clients empty out their bank accounts the day before I'm suppose to get a check. Oh and lying, no one seems to be able to deal with the truth out here.

San Diego has no class, it's not a vacation meca, it's not a high-tech bio-medical area(they are all moving to Florida 'cause San Diego's too expensive) it's beaches are disgusting and polluted, the cliffs from above and fall and kill you. And for a place that is so strick on it's environment why is there a sewage spill once a week so the beaches have to be closed. I heard one surfer being interviewed because he was surfing in an area that had been closed due to a raw sewage spill and his comment was "he just spits the turds out" now ladies how would you like someone like that showing up to take you out one night.

So I'm stuck here. If I can ever get enough money saved up to move back to Florida I will be one happy person.

I can put a sign on the back of my car that say's
"AMF San Diego"

shaylyn said...

I have lived in San diego all of my life just about everywhere in the county some things I can agree with you on but San Diego has its good points too but I'm on to San Fransisco next year and we'll just see how I like northern California

garrett said...

i cant believe im still alive living here. worst place in the country. cant wait to move up north again.

Bella said...

San Diego has the rudest, most ignorant people I have ever met, the city government is corrupt. I have been here for two years and it has been the worse time in my life.
I was brain dead when I moved here.
I want get out of here as soon as I can, before I commit suicide

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lizzy said...

I was born and raised here, but I have to admit that I hate San Diego. Though, hate is such a strong word and I may just say that I really dislike living here. I just moved back from living in San Francisco and boy do I miss it. I can't wait to move back. Yes, it's sunny here all year long, but that's it. I hate that you have to drive everywhere, there's no nightlife, and the arts and culture is very minimal. I am so bored here! I also hate the lack of coffee shops....why can't starbucks just go away.

Fishbelly said...

Yeah man, I feel ya. I grew up here, left in 2001, came back and left again, then came back 2 1/2 years ago and to be short about it…

San Diego will never change, and it will never change because no one here wants to change. I have several close friends here (in part because I grew up here with them) but every one of them has given up on themselves to surf, smoke weed, play frisbee golf, whatever. I long for culture and something to do at night that doesn’t involve bad techno and guys with shaved heads wearing polo shirts, or hipster/artist elitist kids with their PBR’s at $7 a pop. And as far as people being unfriendly I totally agree. On a whole I think people here are jaded because they stopped challenging themselves a long time back and stopped growing, yet never made that connection. Anyone who’s ever struggled with depression knows that the best way out is to stay productive and positive, not self-absorbed and lazy—so San Diego get off your ass already! And good luck calling someone on their shit out here--that turns into a fist-fight...

Glad you found a nice girl here—I visited Seattle for 2 days and found more interesting, down to earth women (and one special girl in particular) in that that time than I have EVER found in the last 2 years in San Diego—screw this Hollywood infection. I’ve never met soo many stuck-up superficial women with truly nothing to offer me. Even the musicians up there were genuinely interested in listening to a fan after the show, plus proud of their scene. Try talking to any band out here and see how fast they bail on you. The music scene here is almost the worst I’ve seen--which is the hardest part for me because I teach music for a living and long for the challenge of other professional musicians who don’t think they’re better than everyone else because they know a few bad blues licks they got off YouTube. In my efforts to find myself a teacher I’ve found no one with the exception of the occasional SDSU jazz snob that knows much of anything about his instrument; it’s sad, really. There are good players here but no scene to support them. I struggle to find students as well because everyone here is too lazy to learn the guitar, or too superficial to be creative in the first place. Several of my students who moved here from the east coast have told me that the living would be much better out there because the people are more interesting and therefore do more interesting things—like play instruments, and I’m hoping to find out shortly. It goes to show: no culture, no art.

It all seems like a bad dream, one big experiment in mediocrity, but it’s a big world and I’m sure there’s a place for all of us to fit in somewhere. Personally I’d like to grow, so bye San Diego!

marie said...

I hated San Diego I lived there for 10 years moving from Northern Cali.
I didn't make one good friend the whole time I lived there. It's the worst place I've ever lived. I will never go back! ick....

ramlaislam said...

i agree with all ur reasons...sa diego is the worst place on earth. I hate the people. i also hate the place and the schools. san diego sucks man....

Taylor said...

See ya...

nonsequitor415 said...

10 reasons I hate San Diego, huh?...
Whatever dude... San Diego is a great place to live. That said, I noticed that most people who have an issue with it are those who live in the Gay Area... I mean Bay... whatever.
I actually have lived in the bay for the past 20 years since being dragged here as a kid from Colorado, and this place sucks big time.
I lived in San Diego for a bit, and horribly regret that I ever moved... because I am dying to run back! The weather, unlike Frisco, is great... as are the women (also unlike Frisco). Plenty of parking; not everyone is packed in like sardines; the beaches are beautiful; and not everyone is so fucking in your face about shit--all unlike Frisco.
I don't know, to each his own... but I love that place, and I regret so much that I ever left.

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Abashi76 said...

I hate San Diego, especially the monolithic gender roles. Everybody my age here thinks the same, especially the girls!

All the girls here loved to be slapped around by men, and everybody finds a woman slapping somebody the most offensive thing in the world.

Everybody my age also has a preference for men taking the nurturing roles and being massage therapists. I always see men holding hands with kids, never women. All the younger massage therapists are men. Everybody is extremely intolerant and hateful regarding different views about sex and gender roles and exceptions do not exist.

Everybody here hates anime also!

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Andrew said...

Thank you for posting this blog. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one that hates San Diego this much! The people here are just so ignorant and vain... AND THEY'RE PROUD OF IT! I mean, there are ignorant people everywhere. But everywhere else there seems to be intelligent people peppered in here and there. In San Diego, it's like a 24/7 pot fest, and all I have is a fork. Don't get me wrong, I've made friends here, but whenever I try to talk about the outside world, books, art, or science, they always cut me off. They seem to think I'm trying to "act" smart, when I'm just trying to make conversation. Being here makes me think, "maybe this is why Einstein endorsed that bomb..." joking of course. But when you want to talk about the outside world, they look at you like you're the freak for even acknowledging that there is a world out side of San Diego! It's absurd! I've been to many, many countries and places all over the world, and I can honestly say I would rather live in a dirt poor 3'rd world country like Nepal or Morocco, than spend another day here... San Diego sucks!

I'm jealous of you, you get to leave <.<...

Gl and have fun!

Lazy John said...

I'm 45 and I've lived in San Diego most of my life. I agree with most of what you say. I plan to leave within the next few years myself if I can.

xavier7d said...

I've been living here in San Diego for 6 months or so now. The first thing I noticed was the rudeness of the majority of the people I have come in contact with. And what's up with the fake tan,ugg wearing, barbie doll clones with too much makeup on? Is that really a look here? (Gag) With the conceited attitude, those are some really attractive girls!(not)


I have met a few nice people here, but they are usually too few and far between. It seems most of the people living here are trying to be like everyone else around them, just go with the flow, no matter how wrong it is. And if you try to have a conversation about something that actually matters in life, they seem confused, just keep it shallow and you're ok I guess.

I lived here in La Jolla years ago, and met quite a few very nice people. Even met an awesome girl here!, not sure what happened, but it doesn't seem nearly as friendly as it did then.

Most of the guys here seem like real lying "dogs", no respect for women in general, or integrity, as well as disrespect towards everyone else. Enough said.

I continue to try to find "normal" people here to hang out with, but not much luck so far. I moved here from Los Angeles hoping it would be better, but now I miss LA. Being near the beach is great, just not when it is overrun by jerks. It's hard to enjoy a beautiful house when it is infested with cockroaches...

Shawn said...

Finally, I do not feel like I left San Diego for all the wrong reasons. I actually felt like a failure because I just could not make it work. I felt like when I was even a little agressive in trying to make friends, I was intruding on their complacent lives. I have a friend that moved there 20 years ago from Los Angeles and he has completely changed into selfish and rude MF who doesn't own a mirror.

calilove said...

wow. love this topic because i hate san diego too. i've lived here for almost 15 years, and i can't really take another day. i'm originally from los angeles (yes, it's southern california, but it's much different!). i came down here after having lived in the midwest and northern california for brief spells (5 years each). i didin't ant to raise my young son in l.a. because it wasn't safe at the time and i didn't want him to be ruined by the hollywood/celebrity-obsessed culture, so i came down here. he's now off to college (couldn't wait to leave san diego as he feels the same way you do), and now i'm ready to go. as a black female, most of my friends in san diego were new york transplants who left because of the redevelopment/gentrification craze a few years back. they became priced out of this "finest city". i haven't clicked with any of the black community here because, as you mentioned, people seem stuck in mediocrity here--it's very unfortunate. it has also started to become los angeles circa 1985. the irony is that l.a. has cleaned up its act and is now a thriving, progressive metropolis once again.

san diego and san diegans suck for the most part, and i'm actively looking for work up in l.a. county so i can be closer to my family and away from the drunken republican, stunted, militaristic, xenophobia that is san diego county. thanks for sharing your thoughts with the rest of us out here who can't wait to escape! good luck to everyone who is in the process of leaving this dying city!

26EverMore said...

Me: "17 + 7 equals 24. We will have 14 left if we take away 10."

Male Colleague: "I thought 17 + 7 equals 16, and that we were going to take away 6? So, we'll have 10 left."

L.A. Me: "NO!!! 17 + 7 equals 24 because 7 + 7 equals 14, plus 10 (17 = 10 + 7) equals 24. 24 minus 14 leaves 10. You with me?"

S.D. Me: "Exactly, you're absolutely right. My mistake."

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Unknown said...

You are a douchebag and a idiot that has not traveled much past whatever trailer trash area you came from. But hey I guess every moron with access to the net can post idiocy. So have fun deleting my post like you deleted every other post that disagreed with you. Typical small minded liberal moron. Have fun not finding decent employment @sshole.

ryan the lion said...

While I sincerely appreciate every comment left here, I don't usually reply directly to them. But I just want to clear up a few things that are factually incorrect in this latest comment.

First, I'm not sure what gives the commenter the idea that I delete comments that disagree with me. I've never deleted a single comment, as you can see by simply reviewing the comments here. The only one that says "...has been removed by a blog administrator" was actually spam. Any other removed comments were removed by the posting parties. In fact, a simple review of the comments will show some that disagree with my assessment. So, that charge is simply not correct.

Second, I get the feeling that you didn't even read the post, since you didn't address any content in your comment. "Typical small minded liberal moron" doesn't describe me or anything in this post. In self-defense, I am certainly not an "idiot", either. I'm completely befuddled as to where "Have fun not finding decent employment @sshole" came from.

Now that I'm writing this, I suspect your post was spam. Eh. Oh well, not really worth more time than that.

Lost in Translation said...

I can't agree more about your reasoning. Me and my girlfriend moved here 3 months ago from Buffalo NY. I can't get over how much there is a lack of a sense of community and disregard for your fellow man! My girlfriend decided to take her scooter to work from the sprinter. We figured it might save on gas. After her shift she scooted across the street to the sprinter with the little man on the sign was blinking so that she had the right of way to walk. As she's crossing, a car decides its a good idea to inch up to her so they can make a turn. Another car behind the driver drove up pretty fast behind them so that the first car had to gun it so they didn't get hit from behind. My girlfriend jumped off her scooter before she got hit as they ran over her scooter. She laid sprawled on the pavement just before the side walk, legs scraped and bleeding. Did anyone stop to help...no they did not. I'm appauled at the selfinshness of this area. I've never seen such rudeness and lack of manors in my life. Not only that, try to have somewhat of an intelligent conversation with someone. They look at you like you're talking quantum physics. They charge you for everything. You can't even go to a state park without having to pay some kind of fee, same goes for festivals, beaches, etc. San Diego is a clear indication of coorporate greed. Has anyone been to Albertsons! This place certainly needs an etiquette lesson!

Renee said...

After 6 1/2 years in San Diego, we're going back to Chicago. Can't wait to have an intelligent conversation again... But I will miss the ocean and the sun.

Renee said...

After 7 years in San Diego, I'm moving back to Chicago. Can't wait to have an intelligent conversation and diverse friends again. But I will miss the sun and the ocean. I can always visit Santa Monica instead!!!

bmcclean1 said...

I agree - San Diego does SUCK! I live in New York City and I am dating someone (long distance) who is in the military there. I visited him 3 times last year (2011) and once so far this year (2012) and each and every time I try to love the place. It just fails so miserably - I can’t believe it. I've never felt this way about any place else - there is just something so intrinsically wrong with this place - the people, the cold nasty beaches, the cold dirty pacific etc...

Another misconception about San Diego is the weather – that its always so great. Totally NOT true... the weather sucks - it's usually always cold (hardly ever over 62 degrees) (esp. in mornings and evenings), windy and rainy (albeit on and off throughout most days). You constantly have to wear (or bring) sweatshirts and outerwear b/c the temps can drop fast.

It's also such a driving city (but I will say MOST American cities are like this - so it's not uniquely a San Diego derogatory trait). If you walk two blocks on a sidewalk in any of its’ neighborhoods you feel like a homeless transient just for doing so. I totally felt insecure and awkward walking around - which is terrible and so not like NYC. NYC is such a walking city and it's great to be able to do it without any odd feelings.

Another thing are all the surfer bro dudes - totally gross and annoying - it's incomprehendable how brain dead these idiots are - and totally not friendly (no one really is there).

I will play the devil's advocate to - some pros I found in SD ironically enough is their public transit stem (MTS), I've had some good experiences taking the buses and even better ones taking the trolleys. But watch out for the entire white trash bum homeless surf rat population (majority are white with long hair leather skin, stinking like alcohol past their 40s). There are also whole streets in downtown that are "tent cities" housing thousands of homeless people - never seen anything like it in my life.

I was overly cruel regarding the beaches - they are not ugly by any way shape or form... it's just that they are normally COLD, windy and the sand is not the nicest (compared to beaches in Florida or even NY)!

The only city worse then this (that I lived in for a short time) was Orlando. That’s a whole different story.

Reggie said...

To be honest, your reasons for hating San Diego seem petty. A lack a of waterless urinals? If this is amongst your greatest tribulations living there, man, I would say your life sounds pretty damn good.

I grew up in Philadelphia. You talk about a complacent, superficial, shithole with political corruption, filth, and some of the meanest people you would ever have the misfortune of working/living near. Trust me, SD ain't got nothing on us.

Spend a year living out here and I guarantee, you would kiss the ground the moment you came back to San Diego.

ryan the lion said...

I'm surprised I'm still getting comments on this post, 5 years after I wrote it...

If I wrote it again now, sure, I'd probably change a few things and use different examples. I might even change any number of the reasons I listed. For the most part, though, I could stand by the general ideas communicated here.

Reggie, the waterless urinals example seems a bit strange to me now, and I'm not sure why I used that particular example; the general idea behind that number, though, was that SD cares very little about environmental issues. Having lived in several cities around the globe, I know that relatively speaking, SD's environment is not high on many people's list of concerns.

I think what's important in that post is not so much the particular examples I used but the numbered reasons. Don't get hung up on the examples.

And 5 years later, having recently visited San Diego from my current Seattle, I can affirm that I still very much hate that city. To suggest as you do, Reggie, that there is a common experience of the city (e.g., "If you think SD is bad, you should visit X,Y,Z cities") is faulty - that's why the post is titled 10 reasons I hate San Diego. You might have reasons you like SD or hate Philly, but that does not really mean that I'll share them with you. Just sayin'...

Reggie said...

I just happened on your post today; did not realize it was written so long ago. SD made quite an impression upon me. I am actually considering relocating there. To be quite honest, this was one of the few negative postings I found about the city. I may not agree with your reasons, but I do appreciate the different perspective. It gives newbies like me something to think about. I hope you found what you were looking for in Seattle. Good luck, brother.

Reggie said...

Btw - Heaven or Las Vegas by the Cocteau Twins is one of my all time favorites. Ice Blink Luck. What a great song.

AGuy said...

Reggie - DON'T RELOCATE HERE!! Okay, maybe if you already have some friends and a job set up here, by all means try it out for yourself. I can tell you that a few years back, I felt the same way you do now. I was living in the northeast (Boston - not as rough as Philly but pretty close) and after coming here on vacation one autumn, I couldn't stop thinking about the place. I had loads of fun; not to mention the sand, the sun, the girls, the scenery.. I just couldn't get it out of my mind. I visited SD multiple times after that over the course of a couple of years and eventually decided to move here to live in "greener pastures". Boy, was that a mistake. Not that I regret the experience of it all, but if I could go back in time I'd stop myself from doing it. The weather, despite what you may think, does get bland and boring after a while, which is a perfect reflection of the people here. The locals all seem to have stopped learning at a junior high level and simply don't appear to want to. In fact, they don't seem to want to do anything except get high/drunk, listen to Sublime and go to the beach. The only intelligent conversations I've had here have been with people from the northwest or others from the northeast. Case in point: I was watching a show on Discovery about forensic pathology one evening when my SD-local craigslist roommate came home. He watched about two minutes of the show and remarked "Man, this show is stupid. Science stuff is boring." and proceeded to go into his room to watch the 'Real World' (yes, the San Diego one). The surfer-bro, tribal tattoo machismo types are everywhere. The locals girls aren't much better either. In my experience they're completely shallow and pretty stupid to boot. The only girls I've made any sort of real connection with here have been from, once again, the northeast and the northwest. If you're into music and the arts, forget about it - both scenes are barely existent here. The nightlife is decent in North Park, but that's about it. Bars and clubs in other areas of the city are overrun by the aforementioned bro types and drunken douche bag Navy dudes looking to let loose. The food here is nothing to write home about either. I love Mexican food, and there are some amazing spots for that, but that's about it. Unless you want to drop a pretty penny at the tourist spots, expect mediocre dining at best. It took me 6 months to find decent pizza in this city. The economy here is pretty bad, and the job market reflects it. Unless you have a specialized degree or a trust fund, be prepared to live on 25-35K per year if you can even get a job. It took me 5 months to find a job here, only to get laid off 4 months later when the company moved out of state to save money (the taxes and regulations are insane) and ditched about 80% of it's employees in the process. Even my waitress and bartender friends have a hard time finding work here. There is barely a middle class, and the middle class that is left here seems like it's hanging on for dear life. I could go on and on, but I digress. All that said, there are some things that I still love about this city, but they're the same things I loved about it when I was just a visitor - the beaches, the scenery, and the near-constant comfortable temperatures. The weed is pretty damn good too (if you're into that), but I'll gladly trade all of that back in for a better economy, smart people, a decent nightlife, good food, and seasons. I can't wait to move back to Boston next month!!

Nyle said...

I agree. San Diego is a black hole full of the most vapid people you'll ever meet.

They seemingly come from all over and congregate into this one location.

I'll be LA bound within a year if all goes well.

lrm said...

thank god for this post-i know it's 5 yrs old, but i've been here 10 years and hated it the whole time-and tonight was the night i had to google 'i hate san diego' to get some company. Just. can't. take. it. anymore.
All the reasons you all have listed-well, saves me from having to type them.
Yes, I think it's particularly tough when you are from the NE or a place where ppl read books or learned to write in school. Though to be fair, my spouse is a SD native, and the place has indeed changed for the worse...

Well, i currently live amongst many first generation immigrants in an upscale area with great schools for the family-and it still sucks. Doesn't matter which area of the city you are in-vapid, no more than 2 sentences each way for an exchange with someone, and absolutely no actual involvement with the concept of citizen involvement....very little. Unless you drive to People's co-op.

lrm said...

To add: I've also lived in CO, MT, San Francisco-and so yea, SD is not my cup of tea; it's 'nice' which is 'nice' for some people and I respect that.
Everyone is 'nice'-the weather, the food [mediocre at best], the people are 'nice'-ie, the ones who are not ignoring you or wondering if you are checking them out b/c you glanced at them-and this is even worse women to women-like they want to see if you've had enhancements and are you competition, and then they look quickly away as though they were not looking.
Jr. High for sure-though High School also fits. It's a giant High School here in SD.
I've been trying to leave for years-I think we do need a support group, or an online prayer group to get those of us who really don't belong here, the h*ll out.

Sure, i'm glad I'm not in x, y or z location in the world, but that is a small solace!

lrm said...

oh sorry have to say one more thing: my spouse received a 'gold star' as work recently, yes, jr. high right? And you know what he did to deserve that? He HELD OPEN A DOOR FOR SOMEONE CARRYING LARGE BOXES.
He may have even done this more than once! shock. gasp.
He is a SD native, and he was also appalled at the lowered standards of human decency here.
But hey, the person who reported his 'good' deed did good, since he got some free movie tix. out of the deal.

I LOVE when I visit somewhere-such as CO recently-where people actually talk in full sentences and don't text the majority of their conversations. Okay, I'll stop now. Thanks.

Cheryl Meril said...

I've been told by someone very familiar with the San Diego Court system Bonnie Russell at http://www.familylawcourts.com/ that San Diego's the most comfortable with its corruption of any city in the United States."

They find their corruption there "comforting" and self assuring I'm sure.

Andrea said...

Be it five years too late, and the result of a desperate Google search of "I hate San Diego", I too am glad I "found" you all. As a well-traveled and even better educated woman, I find it depressing to deal with the droves of ignorami I encounter on a daily basis. At first I thought it was me, so I did what I always do, 1. Chin up, 2. Get out of the house and 3. Get busy volunteering and trying to socialize. As a bona fide member of about 5 volunteer/women's orgs, I can honestly say, these people are NOT interested in friendship, genuine connections, conversations of substance, or even good food or culture. Frankly, I am at my wits end! As a former resident of the greatest city in the USA (that would be NYC, by the way), I would give my left something to go back there and just be amongst normal people who ignore you with a purpose, but still have the common decency to help you out should the need arise. Where do those of you who hate this live? Perhaps we should sincerely have a MeetUp group? I would be glad to start it, I'll be back in a week to check the replies. Stay strong!!! ;-)

Mariest said...

I read an article when I lived there, it said the suicide rate is high in San Diego and while I was reading I thought to myself, I can understand why. Unfortunately I now live in Sacramento (Scumento). It's gotten worse (the roads are terrible, no jobs and more crime) since I left in 97, but at least people are a little more friendlier and down to earth here. MeetUp group? It would be fun!

TXB78 said...

@ANDREA -
Please please start a Meetup group!! Honest to God I've been here for over 8 years (moved out here for a boyfriend at the time and we've since broken up 6 years ago) and have never been so unhappy in my life! I only stuck around because I couldn't afford to move back to Connecticut and then my mom ended up moving out here to be closer to me. I have barely made a real decent friend who isn't FAKE or flakey beyond belief and the real friends I've made (who, BTW are not SD natives) ended up all moving away from here. It's too expensive and the people just have this disgusting sense of entitlement. I've lived in CT, NY, L.A. and this is most depressing time of my life. My boyfriend (met him 3 yrs ago here - he's from TX) and I are saving like crazy to move to Austin, TX. Grass may not be greener there, who knows, but to hear a "thank you" if I hold a door for someone or a car letting me into a lane and not getting run off the road trying to get on the freeway -- I'll take that ANY DAY over the selfish a-holes here. I'll give up this no change of season blah same-weather-every-friggin-day just to get away from these depressing, un-intelligent, ADD-riddled, lazy mother-effering fake people here!!
If someone starts a Meetup I'll be there with bells on!! PLEEEEEASE!! :)
(I chuckled at the handful of people that Googled "I hate San Diego" like I just did - awesome!!)

Cheryl Meril said...

It seems we need an "Escape from San Diego" movie. We need some great screenwriting for this and to make sure to interview all those who posted here as well.

noname said...

It seems that I'm also a bit late but I too found this blog as a result of googling "I hate San Diego."

I really hate this place and went over the character count so I divided my story into multiple sections.

I moved here a little over 2 years ago to go back to school because I lost my job in the SF bay area. I have family that live down here and to hear them talk about it, I was told that San Diego was the closest thing to heaven that you could find on earth. Of course, every place that you move to has a honeymoon phase but that phase is definitely over and I have to say that outside of the south or the midwest, I can't think of a whole lot of places that I would dislike living as much as San Diego.

I can't even begin to tell you how much I agree with almost everything in the original post. Particularly, I notice the complacency more than anything else. When I moved here, I couldn't believe how many people had never lived outside of San Diego county. Some had never even left the city where they grew up. Almost all of them think that San Diego is the greatest place on earth. When I talk to some of these people, I feel like I'm slamming my head into a brick wall. Because of how much I hate it here, I will sometimes ask people what they think is so great about San Diego. I figured that maybe there is something that I am missing. Astonishingly, most of them don't have much to say about it. One girl that I talked to said that she had never lived anywhere else but she didn't want to move because she just couldn't imagine anything better. I wanted to scream but I held it in. It almost seems like the same sort of mentality that people have that are living under a dictatorship. Sure, its a horrible place to be but its home and there is no frame of reference for anything different.

When I tell people that I want to move back to the bay area, they look at me like I have 3 heads. They can't seem to understand why I want to leave. I found a couple people who had been to San Francisco. Both of them said that they didn't like it. One said that they didn't like it because they said that there was nothing to do (as it turns out, this person had only spent a few hours there while on the way to somewhere else).

Well, I have been here longer than a couple of hours... more like a couple of years and there is far less to do here than there is in SF. Unless you really like going to the beach or are really into craft beers, San Diego is a pretty boring place. Don't get me wrong, I love the beach and craft IPAs as much as anyone but there is more to life than getting skin cancer and growing a beer belly.

noname said...

Speaking of entertainment, I have to say that San Diego sports fans are the most hypocritical bunch you will ever meet in your life. Being a Raider fan, I fully expected to experience some trash talk. I'm fine with that. But some of these people take it way too far. The funny/sad thing is that all the Charger fans talk about how horrible all of the Raider fans are because we are rude/violent/criminals/etc. Meanwhile, I have seen Charger fans vandalize cars of the opposing team's fans on a regular basis as well as going WAY beyond normal football trash talk. It is commonplace for them to do things like insult your family if you happen to be wearing silver and black. As I said, I'm all for trash talk as long as it stays talk and stays about football.

I completely understand about the Mexican culture thing as well. I'm not sure how to say this without coming off as being racist but here goes: I am fine with having some level of Latin culture but I also want to live somewhere that at least closely resembles American culture. I feel like I live in Mexico more than I do America. This goes way beyond being respectful of Mexican culture. Mexico has completely taken over San Diego. There are some cities in San Diego county that it is next to impossible to find a job unless you speak Spanish. Where I live, the neighbors will be blasting Mariachi music at all hours of the night. I'm sorry but that goes way beyond being respectful of other cultures.

Another thing that I noticed about San Diego is the culture of criminality and the lack of respect for peoples' property. I live in a pretty okay area by San Diego standards but in the two years that I have lived here, I have been a victim of crime probably six times as often as I was in the 22 years that I lived in the bay area. People on a general basis don't respect the property/space of others. People in San Diego let their dogs bark constantly for hours and often let them run around the neighborhood unsupervised to leave dog poop of all sizes on my lawn. There seems to be an attitude of "if you can get away with it, do it." Sorry, I'm really not into that.

The military complex drives me nuts too. Okay, thats great that we have a lot of military and I'm sure that it is a difficult job for the entire family but I really despise that alpha male mentality that permeates the military. Honestly, some of the biggest d-bags that I have met in my life have been Marines. I have met a few good ones here and there too. I respect good people regardless of what career path they choose to take. Like what was mentioned in the original post, I see intelligence as a more beneficial trait to society than strength/endurance. If I were to say that to some people in San Diego, it could cause a riot.

Maybe I'm a bit pretentious but I also like being able to buy nice things. I hate shopping at Walmart for a number of reasons but mainly I like to buy quality products that look good and will last rather than continuously replace cheap stuff. Good luck finding anything high quality in San Diego. If it isn't rock bottom priced garbage, nobody here will buy it and people like me have to do their shopping a couple of times per year when we travel.

noname said...

People in San Diego are cheap in every aspect of their life, including with food. Outside of the occasional In n Out Burger and Chipotle, I hate fast food (those two establishments are definitely on the better end of fast food though). In San Diego, people can't get enough fast food. There was a Jack in the Box that opened down the street from me and I swear it was a community event. Where is the same enthusiasm for organic produce that isn't loaded with chemicals and high fructose corn syrup? Not to be found in San Diego... thats for sure.

I could go on for pages about why this place sucks and why people who say that it is great are just too ignorant to know any better. I'm sure some of it comes down to personal preference. I don't really care for constant sunshine and actually enjoy a bit of rain every now and then (that is quite an unusual trait in San Diego).

Overall, I suppose it could be worse. I could be living in some redneck state like Texas or Kentucky or something but I'm getting out of here the first chance I get.

Anyone reading this who is contemplating moving here: don't. The grass is not greener on the other side... and not just because San Diego is a desert where nothing living survives.

Cheryl Meril said...

WE need a book with comments such as these about what people from the outside think of San Diego.

Aleah Haugland said...

i stumbled upon this because i have been sitting at my house the last two days with nothing to do...i randomly typed..."I hate San Diego" in google out of boredom. All of your reasons are very true, to me. I have been here 6 months, and I hate it. People really are unintelligent and they find any one that wants to converse about life, family, or education very dull and weird. I am very educated and I care a lot about becoming close to friends and family. It seems as though I am treated as being weird or stupid because of this. I have found it connecting with people, because in fact, my problem is that I am trying to connect. I look around and I am very lonely. I live with my room mate, who is from Illinois, like myself, and he has tons of friends. but he is one of those people that hate emotions, and fits in with these people....his best friends are just a bunch of drunks that only come around to party. I have sat with them for hours and have never heard a connected or passionate conversation.
ALong with that, I go to school with a bunch of b****es. They are all judgmental and stupid. women act like 16 year olds well up into their 30s here.I seriously have never met a more immature population than San Diego.
As for recreational activities; BARS. and they are all over priced, loud, and full of dumb women and even dumber men. The only decent people i have ever met, ironically, are not from San Diego. When I meet people that are from here, they ask me how i like it here, with the dumbest look on their faces...like they are waiting for the absolute orgasm of satisfaction of me saying "I love your city."
I noticed you mentioned the military. What you do not realize is that even the military hates it here. I am married Navy....He hates it. He hates the boisterous command here. There is no unity here, and every one is only after everyone else's throats. We have made zero friends. Our friends that left the last station, in Guam, and moved here are the only ones we talk to. They hate it too.
North park is my favorite place to go and thats just to walk around and look at a few shops.
Apartments are over priced every where for heaps of crap living. We are maybe going to spain or italy in 3.5 years and the rent over there is 500-1200 a month for a furnished, 1-2 bedroom home with an ocean view, and blacony, with swimming pools....and the houses at that price would be 3000+ here. really??? to live in a great place in italy or spain is that cheap?? wow. screw this place. i am never coming back.
the only comment i saw that i do not agree with is the one where the lady said she has visited here a few times. really, lady? please dont base an opinion on visits...
the weather here is never rainy until the winter weathers. It hasnt rained here in months, except for a sprinkle. spring is beautiful with 70 degree weather all the way up until july. Night times are chilly, but bearable. Winter is no lower than 40. that is not cold at all. And as for the "I feel like a homeless person when I walk" comment....what? haha A lot of people walk here. Nobody thinks a thing about it. Sometimes it is natural to have to walk a little even when driving. We have a lot of parking garages. traffic is not bad here so we dont have to take taxis a lot, like you do in NY. We park and walk a ways. grow up.

TXB78 said...

Would anyone be up for a "I hate San Diego" Meetup? Not just to vent but even to discuss things that may actually be positive about this place. I don't know about anyone else on this post but it's been challenging trying not to lose my mind here waiting until the day I get to move away for good (which is in the works)and I tend to focus more on the negative about San Diego. It's hard not to when there are so many things that just suck about this place. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that feels this way when I'm surrounded by plastic, materialistic airheads that think this place is paradise.
Just wanted to throw it out there like Andrea did in case anyone was interested. :)

Unknown said...

I'm up for such a meetup group. I think that we should all get together and watch "Idiocracy", a film written and produced by Mike Judge. He's the creator of Beavis and Butthead, and has his bachelor's degree (in physics, no less) from UCSD. The film reflects a lot of the angst that we feel about the airheads and flakes we're surrounded by in San Diego. As stupid as the characters are, the plotline and movie is genius, and provides instant empathy for us all. If anything, it's a conversation starter, and hopefully, a way to help us bond.

What 'crime' has brought you guys to San Diego? I'm in because I'm doing time as a research associate...hehe. It kinda feels like we're doing time here, doesn't it? Well, let's do many times with different meetup events. I'm pretty sure the group will have a big following.

So, TXB78, and everyone else, let's get the ball rolling!!!

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Nancy said...

San Diego has no soul. Been here 3 years fro Colorado, well-educated, good job, live in the sweet spot of North County. Not a day goes by that I don't want to go screaming out of here. MeetUp would be a welcome outlet.

TXB78 said...

@Unknown - Funny you should suggest that movie "Idiocracy" as my BF and I just watched it a few weeks ago and I said to him "oh my god..those people remind me of the people here!!!"
I moved out here for a guy. I visited him 6 times here before moving and every time I visited him I felt a sense of dread as I just didn't like it here at all. Finally had to decide if he was worth moving for and he was. We just ended up drifting apart mainly because I couldn't get over how much I hated it here and he loved it. Needless to say a year later we broke up and remained friends but he moved back to NY and I ended up meeting someone new a couple of years later. We're both saving our pennies to get the hell out of here so we can move to Austin! The waiting game has been torture on me though. 8.5 years I've been here and everyday has been a challenge not to go insane.

So as far as a meetup is concerned...what area does everyone live (without giving out your exact location, of course)? I would think we should try and meet somewhere in the middle since the cities/towns are so far apart from each other. I live in North County coastal (not too far from Del Mar/Cardiff/Solana area).

Unknown said...

@TXB78...Perfect!!! I thought it was a great movie as well.

I originally wanted to move up to Northern California, both for a guy and to find a job there. However, the guy wasn't worth it after all, and I got a job here first. Love or hatred of San Diego is a legit dealbreaker for relationships :P. But, there HAVE to be eligible people out here who share my empathy for this place...

8.5 years, huh? You should have a badge or some award for that. I've been here almost 2 years, and, um, can't take it much longer...I will if I have to, and am trying my darnest to pursue avenues of happiness, but it feels like everything I do feels the same and booooooring.

I'm in North County, near Miramar.

TXB78 said...

Waiting to see if there's more interest in a meetup and then go from there. :)

Emma Mackenzie said...

I've lived here majority of my life (i'm fourteen) and I hate it as much as the rest of you do. Being a Freshman, I can see where you're coming from with the intelligence rate; I know people in the ninth grade and older that still can't even read.
And everything here costs something. My mother is from NYC, and when we go there i'm always blown away by how so many things are free. Honestly, i'd never actually seen a park before we went there. Because parks are too much money to take care of, I guess.
And also, people think of SD as a beach scene? The water is FREEZING. You can't stay in for more than thirty minutes without turning blue.
And with the drugs, it's understandable; there are so many cartel families out here. Majority of my peers from Middle School (BTW, if you say Junior High out here people look at you funny and ask if you mean Middle. Including adults.) were cartel kids, and got all kinds of drugs from their parents and sold them in school.
And also, in the schools, we are ranked 30th in education, which shows maybe, JUST maybe, laying off teachers left and right isn't the best thing to do. And class sizes are crazy huge; I had an algebra class with 53 students in the classroom, and it wasn't a big room either. And the schools don't care what goes down inside, as long as they make a buck off of it. I was raped in the sixth grade, as well as another girl, by this one kid and we told the principal and he said he couldn't expel him because he was a 4.0 student; bottom line, he made the school look better and got mr principal the money he wanted, so he refused to expel the kid. He only did so when we threatened to sue.
And honestly, even in High School girls are crazy superficial. I've gone to other states and i've never seen so many buttcheeks falling out of little ripped up Hollister shorts. And like in Glee, the cheerleaders wear their uniforms around all the time. Hilarious.
And I honestly only have one true friend here. The rest literally meech off of me when their clique (oh yes it's very very cliquey here, even with the adults) isn't around, and the funny thing is they call each other B*tches as hello. Like i'll be walking to lunch and someone will call out 'Hey b*tch!' and i'm expected to turn around. Hell no.
And I open up doors for people, but i've never had anyone open a door for me. And instead of saying thank you or anything they just walk on through. And don't give me a second look.
Also, with the superficiality, watch the news. Not one girl on there has a natural look. My mother and I were talking about this yesterday, wondering how many plastic surgeries do you have to have in order to get the job as the weather girl?
And how low/tight does your shirt have to be?
It's sad, really, and I can't wait until we can get out of here (bound by divorce ._. we can't even go on vacation).
Deuces, as the surfers say. I'm bouncin'.
Ugh stupid people....

over this town said...

Did anyone ever start a meetup group? I need an outlet with some people that understand why I know that San Diego sucks! I grew up as a military brat and lived all over the world so I've seen a lot of different places and experienced many types of cultures. San Diego is truly overrated, overpriced and filled with the most self-centered, selfish, malicious people I've ever encountered. There is no respect or common courtesy for your fellow neighbor or human beings in general. Everyone is "in it for themselves" and completely shallow when it comes to what life is really about. I have my sights on Colorado and cannot wait for my current apartment lease to be up in May.

TXB78 said...

No one has started one yet. I would but I'm so jaded by this bullsh*t city and have been flaked on WAY too many times to even have the energy to start a meetup. :( It's sad because I'm not a flake and where I'm not saying anyone that has posted on here would be a flake.. I still don't have faith in anyone ever anymore. This place has sucked the life out of me and I've all but given up on "meeting up" with people thinking they are actually going to show. If someone here starts one I would DEFINITELY go!!
Hey, "OVER THIS TOWN" - What area of San Diego do you live in?
I can't wait to get the hell out of here! 2013 I'm hoping the move to Austin and start new. These people are selfish a-holes that make me sick to my stomach that I breathe the same air as them. I'm embarrassed to tell people I live here! Is anyone up for starting a Meetup?

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over this town said...

I know exactly how you feel. I haven't made one "real" friend since moving out here almost 3 years ago. The people seem so content with having acquaintances and no one really cares to sincerely get to know who you are as an individual. I'm living in the San Diego/La Mesa area but was in the Mission Valley area for the last 2 years. One of my pet peevs is flakey people. There's something wrong with a person when they can't/don't follow through with what they say they're going to do. Are you moving to Austin in 2013? I have a friend that moved back there from San Diego, after she got married and hasn't looked back since.

over this town said...

I am visiting family back in Atlanta for Christmas and I cannot wait to get out of San Diego even just for that week of vacation. It's refreshing to go to another city and then be even more validated when you come back to San Diego, that it's truly overrated and overpriced. I don't even feel like it's the holidays because of the bubble of fake weather they live in out here! It's a nice place to visit if you want a beach vacation spot but I'd never recommend anyone live here.

noname said...

I'm going back home to the bay area in January. I can't wait. Even better, I think I am finally going to move back in about 6 months. Good thing too because my car got broken into AGAIN last night. I think that makes about 4 times since I moved here. That, coupled with all of the times that these subhumans have broken into my garage and stolen stuff, it seems like half of the people who live here are criminals. I have to get out of here. I can't live like this anymore.

stokelycalm said...

I'm surprised no. 1 wasn't materialism. San Diego is the most materialistic city I've lived in, and though probably not comparable to Vegas or NYC, it's still very materialistic in its own respect. The people here all believe in those get-rich-quick schemes and all judge you by how much money you appear to have. And appear is the keyword because MONEY SERIOUSLY TALKS in san diego. People don't care if you're generally a nice person or you're educated and have insight to offer on a topic. Money is what completely defines you in this city. And I can see exactly why: you have so many districts/communities (gas lamp district, college area, la jolla, mira mesa) that are so extravagantly luxurious, the materialistic ideals are almost contagious here. I've lived here for 2 years and absolutely hated it. I have a pretty nice income now and recently got my Master's Degree here but really struggled at first. The question that I get the most is... how much does your job pay you? As if that's anybody's business, it's incredibly annoying how money is the sole factor that defines your level of respect in this stupid city.

ABC = Arthur B.Chaney said...

I am thinking about moving to SD this summer, but after reading this I am reconsidering it. I was also thinking Miami, the problem is I have seasonal depression and Chicago weather is killing me literally so I need a wonderful city to live in like Chicago but better weather.

stokelycalm said...

Coming from the Bay Area, I noticed a lot of bad things about San Diego. First, it's the worst of both worlds; like the bay area, the housing prices are excessive (particularly rent is out of control) while the typical wages don't pay nearly as well as the Bay Area (hence worst of both worlds). Secondly, everybody is too much like each other - superficial, materialistic and socially/politically oblivious to the important matters at hand. Nobody here couldn't care less about the Syrian Civil War or even the City Budget failing all types of fiscal goals, but bring up Jersey Shore or Keeping up with the Kardashians and you will find San Diegans interest at heart. It's really a joke how depressing this city is. Yes, the women are hot and the weather is great but that's about it. The sports team all sucks (soon to be the L.A. Chargers) and the Padres have been an investment gone bad. The city budget has so many holes that giving out so many bogus traffic tickets doesn't quite meet that goal. The transportation system is horrible, you pretty much need a car. The city is very expensive to live in and for a huge metropolitan city (1.3 mill), there is virtually no middle class, or at least a diminishing middle class. There is only some very rich people and a lot of poor people, calling it China might be a stretch but that really may not be too far-fetched. The minimum wage is $8.00/hour but never has income to wealth been so disproportionate - excessive local taxes hinder the higher incomes and make life unaffordable for the lower class. But, more than anything, it's really the superficiality, materialism and oblivious lifestyle that can lead you into a culture shock, especially if you're from a city that completely differs from SD. It can be a hellhole miserable experience at first, it definitely takes time to adjust.

Mariest said...

Everything you said is true. I lived there for 10 years and even though I made decent pay working at a pharmaceutical company, I quickly realized there was no way I could ever afford a home there. I saw shacks going for $300,000.
I miss the weather and the ocean, but that's about it. It's sad that people there are so wrapped up in themselves, they couldn't care less about having a true friend.

Ryan Gray said...

I grew up in Buffalo NY my whole life . Moved to san diego 2 years ago for school. I too hate it. Cant agree more with the rest of you. Glad im not the only one. Back home people were rude, blunt, and guarded but they were true honest genuine whole hearted people with deep roots in friends family and environment . The people here are verry "nice", laid back, welcoming, good spirited people, with a shiny facade painted on their ugly superficial lives . they will stab you in the back and throw you under the bus if and when they can. Roots grow shallow in the desert. In buffalo we took pride in rust, didn't cover it in a plastic paint.....san diego truly the world of a plastic beach......signing off go f$&k yourself san diego

Ryan Gray said...

Fellow Buffalonian!

Cheryl Meril said...

Good points but listen, you need to use proper punctuation. The lack of following basic writing guidelines is very distracting and also discredits your complaints a bit since you appear to be the rebellious type. If you don't want to follow basic punctuation rules, e.g., proper initial caps, etc., maybe you shouldn't be using our medium of communication and stick with face to face exchanges to share your thoughts? People go to school for a reason and if you want to rebel against our system of writing, you probably should find another medium of expressing your thoughts otherwise you'll face criticism such as mine.

Cheryl Meril said...

Mark Dice's latest videos are exposing San Diegans' bubble world stupidity to the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOquwb1B0Rs&feature=youtu.be

Cheryl Meril said...

More videos exposing San Diegans, this one asks what year did Lee Harvey Oswald kill Jesus, or what year did Jesus die? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOquwb1B0Rs&feature=youtu.be

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Here's where San Diegans stand on. . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KAEgeGskPA

noname said...

It is finally happening! I am leaving San Diego in one week! I can't wait!

Mariest said...

Good for you!!

Maeve Alleine said...

THANK YOU for posting this article- I truly thought I was completely alone in this. I am born/raised New York City, then lived in Scranton, PA for 9 years. ANYTHING, so I thought, was better than Scranton.

Well, I was wrong. At least in Pennsylvania nothing looks dead, dry and artificially kept alive. The water this area wastes is incredible!

Every point you've made, and many of your commenters are spot on. I can't wait to get the fook out of this boring, dead, superficial expensive place!

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Maeve Alleine said...

I forgot to share the latest "cherry on top of my hatred of san diego sundae" by sharing this little experience I had this Saturday.

I will preface this with, my poor husband! His family is out here and he knows how miserable I am. I moved here with him so he could be with family and he loves it here. He has taken full responsibility for our living here and now is say he's done me a "great injustice" taking me away from my own family and the climate/geography/culture/fashion I love. I keep telling him I made my own decision but he's sweet and feels bad.

Anyway, so he found out about a "nice lake" from a friend of his at work. His friend caught a 5 lb bass there and he was excited because he knows I miss freshwater bodies of water.

So Saturday we drive there with our two dogs. I see that it's just, yet another, mud puddle dug in the desert. There was nothing green around it, in fact the earth and dead plants actually looked scorched! It was so depressing. I feel bad but I lost it. I just couldn't take looking at this horrible excuse for a "lake" anymore. My poor husband...he's trying to make me happy here but it's just impossible.

We drove home with me ranting about how bad it is here in tears and he was besides himself with sadness that he ever asked me to come out here.

I have set my sights on Seattle. There is nothing for me in the Northeast except memories and very severe winters that even I don't wish to live through anymore. Seattle seems to be a most excellent compromise. Anyone have anything to say about it?

Maeve Alleine said...

Oh I forget...while we were at the lake, not more than 5 minutes, my dog made a poo on the road going around the lake (it was Lake Murray, by the way).

I no sooner turned to pull a poobag out of my knapsack when this older guy with an ipod, in a loud embarrassing voice says at me, "YOU BETTER CLEAN THAT UP!"

I am SO TIRED of the judgmental, higher-than-thou, self righteous douchebags that live here. Seriously. Sick. And. Tired.

I seriously cannot wait to be out of here.

I yelled

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Timothy Liao said...

I am impressed with your blog even though I strongly disagree with the premise. After reading all the posts it seems to me the reasons people hate San Diego isn't really about San Diego itself as much as their expectations and personal circumstances. First off, if you are struggling financially you will probably hate where ever you live; but expensive cities like San Diego, San Francisco, and New York would seem worse. How can anyone fault a city for their personal relationships they make? For instance I think I meet a lot of nice people in San Diego, but should I then think everyone in San Diego is going to be nice? Also it's not San Diego's fault you may have to drive everywhere in this town; not everyone can or wants to live in San Francisco, Boston, Chicago, or New York. That leads us to a common theme amongst your commentators: San Francisco and NorCal is so much better. Well I grew up in NorCal and love San Francisco but it is really expensive and I wanted to live a nice urban lifestyle in San Fran; be able to walk everywhere while living in the heart of the City. But it was too expensive so I found a great alternative to own a nice condo in a nice neighborhood in Downtown San Diego where I can walk everywhere including work, grocery, culture, restaurants, coffee shops. My neighborhood in San Diego got a 96 on the walk score, similar score to other places in San Francisco. Also there is a misconception San Diego is a Conservative and Republican bastion. Hillcrest just north of Downtown San Diego was voted as the most Gay friendly American city ahead of neighborhoods in San Francisco. Also the majority of voters in San Diego are Democrats. FBI statistics constantly show San Diego as one of the safer American big cities, much safer than San Francisco. So the girl who said her car got broken into could have gotten her car broke into in any other American city as well, but maybe she just parked it in a high crime area. I have never had my car broken into in San Diego but I have had a car broken into twice in San Francisco. Again everyone's personal experience is based on their own personal circumstances and the majority, if not all of the examples that people shared on this site are based on individual circumstances and individual expectations. When it comes down to it, almost any place you live can be made better or worse based on your own personal circumstances. Texas even can be a nice place to call home for some people.

Andy Jimenez said...

I was born and raised here my whole life in SD, I can't disagree with ya'll. I hate it here.

4. Teams.

San Diego has the most unloyal fans I have ever seeing!!! I'm an L.A fan and trust me ask any L.A fans that live here and SD fans get annoying only cheering for their teams when their winning. But when they loose they switch teams!

3. People

They're assholes! I already been through so many idiots I can't stand. They have a lot of attitudes and they start shit for any stupid reason. Like one time these assholes drug dealers were trying to steal from me and try to fight me in the streets because I was wearing an L.A hat. They think that their gangs are better then L.A. Pffff try to go too South Central, Compton, and East L.A or the Bay, they won't last a day!!!!

2. Mainstream

SD is a type of city that follows anything. I wanna be a leader not a follower. People follow and are stuck up to anything. The music here is dumb and hip hop here is dead.

1.Females

Biggest reason I hate SD!!! Now for all you people that live outside of SD, If you're trying to look for a relationship, don't even bother haha. Trying to find a relationship like romeo and Juliet, Of course we all want one but if you ask me the percentage here to find a good relationship its 5% here. I promise you, Most girls here are so slutty, and really picky and stuck up! They have no respect for themselves, letting random people especially downtown people smacking their asses like what the hell is that?! I swear if I had girlfriend and saw a man smacking her ass, I'd beat the living hell out of him! They're assholes and end up dating dirtbags that cheat and never wanna move on and think suicidel haha.

Colt Ham said...

Main problem is that it is impossible to develop friendships in San Diego. Everyone is in it for themselves. Single men have a miserable time there as ugly women think they are hot and the better looking women are looking for men with millions of dollars. There is no depth to anything.

space heater said...

Well, I'm a transplant from Chicago...been living in the suburban hell that is Orange County for 7 years and miss the city. I'd been thinking downtown San Diego might be a good compromise, but from this post and all the comments it seems like you all have the exact same complains I do :(

pspees said...

I've lived here my whole fucking life and let me tell you, it's an evil place. There's no, absolutely no respect for hard working middle class people here. Socially it's a breeding ground for disaster. I can't wait to get the fuck out to some other place where people other than millionaires, their families, and ultra-corporate douchebaggery can flourish.

I thought no one else here saw this. I'm astounded at how patriotic people always are about this stagnant, superficial shithole and if you ever tell it like it is you're immediately branded a downer. Acting like "everything's chill" is essential to reputation and acceptance here, this explains the abundance of fakeness amongst the people. It's frequently hot as hell, the sun never quits (it's so intense it fucking hurts), and it's getting hotter/dryer every year.

Glad I found this blog, it gives me hope to know there are others who see through the hype and falseness that is San Diego (and Socal in general). Now I feel amongst friends! Go fuck yourself San Diego!

Arthur Baronov said...

You're absolutely correct my friend! The worst part about it, is that it's impossible to address any of these issues to the locals, even in the most tactful manner. I'm originally from Colorado and I can't wait to move back. They definitely show disgust for any form of individuality. It's just sickening, and sad how much these people are disconnected from one another.

Jared Stevens said...

I grew up in La Mesa, Nado, and near Little Italy. I spent my time skate boarding, surfing and playing street hockey. That said, I earned decent grades, so maybe I don't fit your stereotype so well. I'm about to graduate from UW (been here for 3 years, I'm graduating a year early), so we're both in Seattle as far as I can tell.

10. You're correct that the average San Diegan doesn't care about the environment as much as a Seattlite. We recycle, but we generally don't compost. That said, we aren't as bad as Texans.

9. My dad was in the Navy for 30 years, and I lived on the Seal Base for a few years. I can't think of a single person I knew who wanted to go to war in Iraq. They're just following orders. We support our troops in that we're thankful that they are willing to die for our country, but that doesn't mean we support the decision to go to war. I trust you see the difference I'm alluding to. The 'alpha male' culture you refer to is more or less valid. If that bothers you, Seattle is a better fit. I think surfer-bros are more genuine than the pseudo-intellectuals who read about Marx and Chomsky on wikipedia, but that's just my personal preference.

8. I never understood the appeal of cafes.. I just make coffee and tea at home. I'll leave you alone on this one :)

7. You're painting with an awfully wide brush. San Diegans may be more content and happy with life, but that doesn't mean we aren't ambitious. In August, I'm going to grad school in Tokyo to learn international finance and Japanese. I can't speak for everyone in the 619, but everyone I know has lofty goals. I know more stoned slackers with no ambition from Seattle.

6. We are vain, but so are Seattlites. We're vain in a different sense. We try to appear attractive and fun. Seattlites try to appear progressive and intelligent. I can't count the number of times I've seen friends up here bashfully admit that they weren't able to maintain a vegan diet, only to quickly stammer that they were trying again next week. The images we try to project are different, but every locale has their own societal pressure.

5. If you think there is no history in San Diego, clearly you've never been to Old Town. Besides which, what kind of cultural Mecca is Seattle? The Gum Wall and oddly designed museum next to the Space Needle are more recent than Cabrillo by several decades. I mean, dude.. Cabrillo landed in the 16th century. Also, you can attend annual Native American festivals in East County. Also, have you never been to the museums in Balboa park?

4. Again, I don't know what anecdotal evidence you are basing your opinion on, but people from Southern California are generally really outgoing and friendly. That's my experience at least.

3. It's only true if you don't know how to have fun without drinking. You can go outside every day of the year. SeaWorld, the San Diego Zoo, and Soak City are readily available, and Disneyland is only two hours away. And bro.. you're in Seattle. Everything closes here at 8 PM. Gaslamp > Capitol Hill.

2. San Diego's political climate depends on your neighborhood. Of the five representatives in congress from San Diego County, three are D and only two are R. Of all registered voters in the county, 35.8% are D, while 33.8% are R. We might not be as hard-core liberal as Frisco or Seattle, but we aren't all Republicans. I'm Third Way, if you're curious.

1. Yeah, you really need a car unless you live near the trolley station or are satisfied in your own 'city' within San Diego. Before I could drive, I never felt restricted in La Mesa, Coronado or Little Italy. They're very pedestrian friendly.

Anyway, sorry that San Diego doesn't cut it for you. It's perfect for me.

pspees said...

You sir fit right in here and cannot see outside the box. I appreciate your positive outlook but It's apparent that you're the SD type. Lofty goals and all.

Jared Stevens said...

Can't see outside the box? Bro, I've lived in San Diego most my life, but I've spent a total of eight years in South Carolina, Virginia, Vancouver and Seattle.

But yeah, it really comes down to what scene you identify with personally. I'm comfortable in San Diego, but that doesn't mean it's best for everyone. If you don't like it, bail. Less traffic for the rest of us :P